As for WestVinIceAntilAtlanEtcLand being associated with air, a brief check of world wind current maps shows that the Atlantic coast of Europe has West-to-East winds (i.e. . f68v2 I theorize is the Milky Way and the arm is pointing to the west at NGC or M31. I suppose that can be said for almost any theory, at least in the theorist’s own mind! There is ecclesiastical heraldry, and several other positional confirmations included in the illustration. I therefore don’t think it constitutes any kind of ad hominem to say that I think what Bax did was *not* in any way comparable to what I did. writing is highly questionable. I But the manuscript is beyond your capabilities. Hi all. I am a newcomer to the VM, but I would like to offer the following explanation for consideration by those far more knowledgeable about it than myself: The Voynich manuscript is not a hoax, it’s not a secret language, it’s not a cipher, it’s not a code. They do NOT even assume the VM being anagrammed, simply because for their specific method that makes no difference at all. In addition, Dee stated that he had 630 ducats in October 1586, and his son noted that Dee, while in Bohemia, owned “a booke…containing nothing butt Hieroglyphicks, which booke his father bestowed much time upon: but I could not heare that hee could make it out.” Emperor Rudolph seems to have given the manuscript to Jacobus Horcicky de Tepenecz (d. 1622), an exchange based on the inscription visible only with ultraviolet light on folio 1r which reads: “Jacobi de Tepenecz.” Johannes Marcus Marci of Cronland presented the book to Athanasius Kircher (1601-1680) in 1666.”. (in Morse code, this is E D E C). And buried it at Temple Mount expecting somebody to find it one day and link it to the Old Testament somehow. i += 1. BTW, if we are discussing micro-writings, I wonder if the “get” thing in f1r has been previously discussed in any way? This timeline spans 1000’s of years from the period of Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro. But why would all marginalia be necessarily in the same language? The VMS pigments have been tested. Meaning this was something secretive of the time in which only a selected few were meant to read it (ie apprentice). page 68r1 contain 29 stars (mansions of luna, like pleiades). . My main statement is that the Voynich text is utter rubbish and gibberish which follows a Zipfian Distribution and I understand that. If there are no five pointed stars in the VM, but plenty of six, seven, eight and nine pointed stars, then this could be a clue to the provenance of the VM. , More specifically, I would assess the chance of Voynichese being anagrams in this kind of way is precisely orez. If so, this is certainly not the VMs Zodiac and therefore not the same thing I’ve investigated. Somebody somewhere mentioned that the prone, distorted bellied lady on another page may have a breech position baby, where we know the foot and leg will be born first. The key is in fact written on the cover of the letter. Yes, he must have been lost in translation. Other sections yield different results, as one might expect given their clear distinctions in matter and style. . The stars on the left margin at the end of the book, some red. All other attempts do not make sense. Definitive proof that my cipher is an axiom with Voynich studies I’m familiar with the full history of the enigma decoding, but I believe all decoders get a break or find a weakness somewhere, it always seems to be a part of the game, so I didn’t think the enigma breaks worth mentioning. Didn’t you know that there used to be a Viking settlement there? I have not found yet an outline of your theory about the VMS as an umbrella for your topics, including language and script. ……. If you are interested in this, please let me know by email. Well the miracle is out, and I’m humbled by what I have accomplished; likewise, in good faith I have passionately conveyed how the Voynich Manuscript was constructed to you all. People who believe they are channeling, may believe they are channeling multiple entities. Firstly, I do not claim to break cipher, even a single word. This is untrue, Leon Battista Alberti invented a known polyalphabetic cipher, the Alberti cipher, and was alive in the early half of the 15th century, so it is possible that his ideas had spread among a select few including VM’s author. We are well aware of what we’re doing and why, and of other/previous efforts. Thanks to both of you for taking time to read my article. It is important to know what the characters mean. Either this or it is simply that the scribe underestimated how many pages of dumb looking doodles he’d need to fit in all the text and after reaching the end of pages with pre-prepared illustrations (perhaps prepared by a separate person) just carried on like a fax machine regardless until he reached the end of his script. Regardless, we don’t have a large enough sample to reliably infer anything from. JKP: I note you say “I was obsessed with ciphers as a kid. Just to point out that ‘Musa’ (banana plant) appears in illustrated MS herbals of the 14th and 15th Century: Cheers, Tom. The most significant of these confirmations is the papelonny pun. I propose three additional arguments. I’ve posted a couple of comparative examples between the Cambridge ms and Beinecke MS 408, f.38v in a post called ‘An early 15thC copy of a 13thC text: Thomas of Cantimpre. If that is even important in the other realm, for that is more about ego. Amongst numerous clues left deliberately by Freddy for us to see clearly including f80r’s pool nymphs providing the distinctive letters F U B L which of course might easily equate to Fabricated Using British Library. an older woman or matron. It could just be a bird. (Exists only on a piece of sandstone. I have read so many times a typical reply from JKP is yes I was on to that and then he will try and explain. https://www.science20.com/the_chatter_box. PS: What’s it like to see yourself 7 years younger on TV? sean: you’re at least fifty years behind on the zodiac roundel discussion. Scholarship looks at, weighs, accepts and acknowledges things which change one’s way of seeing the manuscript. Just to make sure…, https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/niedersachsen/hannover_weser-leinegebiet/Voynich-Manuskript-Mittelalter-Code-uebersetzt,voynich108.html. I have found provenance within the document as well as the Arthur’s name! Nick, you know, the Eskimo story isn’t as far-fetched as it sounds. I recognise the drawings in the VMS as being from a person of my own artistic ability and so I can offer a perspective into what the pictures are saying. in this diagram; 59+2 = 61 again prime https://www.jasondavies.com/voynich/#f68v3_f68v2_f68v1/0.495/0.391/5.00. with spaces, and I’ll reassemble the link when I moderate your comment. Your theory shoud all alone in the waste. . Nick was concerned that savant authorship was inconsistent with the current belief that the VM had anything from two to ten authors. The author may have been a missionary, a traveller, a refugee, a vagrant etc. Found this about Vinland on Wikipedia: “The name was explained in both texts as referring to the savage inhabitants’ ability to tie the wind up in knotted cords, which they sold to sailors who could then undo a knot whenever they needed a good wind”. Nick, I tried to explain to you, pretty directly and quite gently that some of the articles of faith on which you based your interpetation of the VMS imagery were mistaken – to put it mildly. I am quite interested in your latest research, if you have some time. , and the facts he collected from the inhabitants/customer. But we don’t have to worry about them coming back, they didn’t find anything here. Letter order for any given word could shift based on position in a sentence. A year later, Nill sold the manuscript to prominent rare-book dealer Hans Peter (“H.P.”) Kraus for … I don’t know why you keep insisting I am likening anything to it – I’m not, and haven’t. Brian: yes, and you can add a capital L to that too. I was never subscribed to the VM mailing list and thus I am not aware of those previous discussions and if there are solid arguments towards this NOT being a map of the world, but again, ceteris paribus the map is I think the first that would come to one’s mind looking at f86v. I have often wondered about the people involved with academia and their methods. One wouldn’t want to fall into the trap of believing that a 15th C drawing (in particular in the Voynich MS) should be an accurate (photographic) representation of any object. Three letters are superfluous. Germinate plants, put at 1.9! Posted 9th May 2016. . 2. I never use google translate, you should not assume that. Is that encoded. The number of characters in 4 o P ch e y doesn’t match the number of characters in “marijuana” so clearly some re-assignments have been made. Is that why you keep changing the language (while keeping the same basic template)? Within the period of the radiocarbon dating of the VM velum). It is only meant to work almost all the time for those 505 words, not because that is what I wanted, but because that is what is in the 505 Voynich words themselves and what my work has revealed. If the topic of heraldry can be considered in the investigation of the first three VMs Zodiac pages, then at least some questions can be raised about apparent interpretations and the credibility of the images. In either case there is a clear relation of the content creator (not of the artefact creator!) Thank you. But the draughtsman may not cared to show a thickness, just as seemingly he did not care about the life like depiction of the proportion of human body parts. Here is the link. Even in medieval Europe a great proportion of imagery is abstracted, stylised, allegorised and represented in other that the rather mundane literalist style. Post is dated 23rd June 2013 at http://voynichimagery.wordpress.com. MS. I have really looked everywhere for reproduction and couldn’t find any? Tom Spande, Hello! I think it is important to stick to your principles. Why don’t you try it and see if you can make sense of what Ros 2 is using my cipher to Italian and remember Wilfrid’s translation was from an Italian dictionary with grammatical imperfections. The connection to English heraldry then, could be seen through the nephew’s later service as papal legate there. After all, they’d probably still be working on it today if they really had to tackle that 10^114 possible combinations with no other leads! So,, are we are looking at a possible misrepresentation of the author’s intentions? This is my first introduction to the VM. But I would add that any route that tries to read Voynichese as some kind of lost or wilfully obscure language will fail miserably, having wasted a dramatic amount of your time (that whole notion was essentially disproved 50 years ago, though nobody bothers to listen). The dot is number one ( 1 ). All of which is not sufficient to completely rule out outsider art, but I think they are strong indications that the ‘outsiderness’ of the manuscript is only one of several truths that hold simultaneously. –… -…. And ants. or it can be in this order –.– or this order -.— and this is in abstract Morse code not Morse Code at the moment. Your pun on logic has no reflection on the results I obtained regarding the VMS structure is modeled on Morse Code. Bristol distances itself from academic who claims to have solved century-old mystery. Now, I don’t expect anyone to make the huge jump from the perceived deconstruction idea to this much more uncertain proposed reading of the 505 words. oh…. and if my spam-much is its usual hyperactive self, then do send comments as emails and I’ll repost in your name. The Voynich Manuscript has been reliably dated to mere decades before the invention of the printing press, so it's likely that its peculiar blend of plagiarism and curation was a dying format. Without access to Santacoloma’s old mailing list, the history of Vms research is badly distorted, but the earliest example I find in your blog, Nick, dates to 2008-9 when there seems to have been a rash of ‘Templar-Voynich’ fictions. In provenancing imagery, it is inappropriate to begin as if one were writing an undergraduate essay in the history of European art styles, because to do so one has to first determine whether or not the matter has come from European sources, and whether or not it belongs to the Latin European ‘renaissance’ period. The fact that some symbols represent two letters. The Voynich Manuscript offers a tempting swamp for PhDs and the superbright to leap into, from which they can use their power of rhetoric to convince themselves (and sometimes others) that they’ve made a sound judgment call: but they almost never have. Only love is a motivation strong enough to endure hardships of a work of this extent (which is why it can’t be a fake, by the way *1). etc. I have not consciously mentioned it as the forerunner of my ideas. 3) Turn the consonants into vowels, starting from the right (without any explanation for why this specific transition is chosen or why the same transition is not used for other words), and reassign the dots and dashes to new letters, thus creating A R I A. So, the challenge here isn’t explaining away too much randomness, it’s explaining away too little randomness. Maybe he was in a hurry/panicking. What I’ve done is more traditional and somewhat more scientific in approach, namely to research the evidence offered by the primary document, locate its historical and cultural context (or, more exactly, strata), and then see how this ties in with evidence provided by such scientific analyses as we have to date. He’s not trying to find out the truth about the VMS. Jimbo: you’re starting in a pretty decent kind of direction – I don’t know if anyone has systematically compared the crowns on the zodiac nymphs with real fifteenth century crowns (such as the Holy Crown of Hungary, etc), but I’ll try to put up a page inciting someone to do so. .- -.-. This is the first paragraph! Here, the root of the word is “old” = “solve” (a task, a problem), “dissolve” (a substance in a solvent) or “untie”, “undo” (a knot, an attire etc.). I am incessantly curious and I love learning. – — which translates to “Holy”. In the end, the word consisting of three characters can fit up to six letters. I did not think of anything else. What is odd about the pictures in the VMS is there are a few anomalies regarding time and origin of some of the images for Europe in the 15th century. some researchers found words but can not apply the same letters on other words and if so ,those words were not matched with the drawings . I’m in the process of making a video regarding my cipher so that it is simple enough for a 6th grader to comprehend. So the origin should be clear for everyone. Thanks for the background. Maybe the test will reveal how it dry’s like in the Voynich. Who sends a little girl with alcohol alone through the forest ? The main problem with the supposed cross in f79v is that it is strangely “lumped”. Apart from the objects depicted, one has to be able to. So I strongly suspect you’re wasting your time, sorry. Best regards I didn’t deconstruct just a handful of words, cherry-picked because they fit the pattern. plant separately! Ros2 spiral of vords next to Castle decrypted: I have attempted to decode this with so many other systems and now finally a quality translation of Ros2 Castle. Michael: all fair enough deductions… but the big question is how. Brian: to pick you up on your earlier point, you are of course right that the wheel gets invented fairly frequently in Voynich research and with varying degrees of success. No really new angles wanted. A lack of five pointed stars would seem to imply a prohibition on their use. btw did you see my e-mail about David Jackson’s word analysis? The picture’s layouts and styles are basically similar to my own in any freehand rendition of notes. So you think the VM is a fake by Wilfried. Manuscript is a Jewish substitution. Their Lighthouse of Alexandria idea is strange as they take the yellow top to mean “fire”, but all the towers have yellow tops. Thanks for the input. Second there is the “lab” thing corroborated by the adjacent imagery. That repetition is not stranger than the Voynich’s “qokedy qokedy qokedy” for example. I can’t remember anyone ever saying that this is a Christian Latin (or v.v.) Speaking of extra O’s.. you do know Finnish (and Scandinavian languages) have basically two? I like the forensic approach, rather than playing ‘chase my hypothesis’ . Based on the unique connection of the blue-striped insignia and the patterned box in the circular band of text. 2. Hence it is more common in labels where such a condition does not apply. 1) to hide heretical religious material. Yes, I completely accept that there is a possibility that some forger or hoaxer with near-superhuman powers could have been able to produce a Baudrillardian simulacrum in the style of the Voynich Manuscript that somehow manages to mimic all the behaviour and history it presents. Some examples are adequate to make a heraldic interpretation, Others, not so easy, But perhaps that is the exact intent – to make things a bit ambiguous. Dealing with such a complicated and thought-provoking field of decryption or decoding what the author meant, in addition to encyclopedic knowledge and a scientific approach to the subject, it is also necessary to have an intuitive ability to combine facts and draw conclusions from these facts. The Eva shows it as a 10 baded decinal system. Any pointers to the other letters and abbreviations? For example, one of the abbreviations for alpha pi rho (apo) is dash—raised dot—vee (with the dash and the vee being attached). To the righ ( rightward ). I’m among the camp with excellent researchers who believe the VMS is a modern forgery by Wilfrid. Cheers, Tom. Hidden writing is in some roots. for example; page 67v1 contain 39 stars and this diagram divided 17 section by rays. Anton, Based on the list of words read, I guess it’s Nikolaj Anichkin? And, personally speaking, that’s why I’ve been looking page by page for “hidden letters” – it’s a reason to look carefully at every part of every page. Just a thought. And most important. Next I search through the database by setting it, to ascending, current document, whole field, all and match case. This is a big hint in the route I am driving, as I have looked at history and, like Roland pointed out, tried getting into the mind of the creator(s) of this art. We then present an approach to decoding anagrammed substitution ciphers, in which the letters within words have been arbitrarily transposed. Diane: what do you mean by “image (not diagram)”? Rene Only with the discovery of the radial illusion of f71r and the recognition of the positional construction of the obscure papelonny pun can the extent of the authors heraldic knowledge be adequately gauged. Previous work may have value even if the author has changed his his/her opinion. A *partly unclothed* female who stands before a crucifix **which she does not touch**. When you are able to read what is written there. I don’t think Stephen Bax is another Wilfrid; perhaps he is another me, or another you? But that’s an important point in itself. # from morse to english I have deciphered the alphabet to what I think it is( As I originally belong to Punjab region and I am aware of the cursive writings from the region as well as phonetics ). Anton, from my blog you’ve probably seen my rant about the transcription. Currently I am fervent dianese. Just because they are studying the possibility of anagramming using statistical attacks (which is a perfectly good idea) doesn’t mean YOUR method (which includes subjective anagramming along with other steps) is defensible. Bypassing the VM, it seems the only item that one would think ought to have been translated but hasn’t, is the Tujia Script. c) Retry it if it does not fit a narrative which maybe somewhat disjointed by Academia standards. Hope this is a help! <<< This is the important point. And almost all of Google Mars is blotched out in red swaths and the only bits of high definition released look like mountains fields, trees, and bushes. Actually, you shouldn’t be looking for a single European author here. Why mark specifically Gemini? i do not know. Most Roman forenames for women ended in -a, and many of those for men ended in -us, when in the nominative case. After the liquidation of Templar assets, the VMS probably travelled discreetely between various experts who weren’t told its origin and who subsequently took their time trying to figure out what they were looking at wasn’t actually relevant to their field since nobody even knew cryptology was even a thing and were probably trying to translate a foreign language. And you can start reading the manucript. . The bottom line, of course, is that the folio is a *picture* and pictures have to be considered by reference to their technical aspects too. a specific image for the sun) is not so dependent on logical thinking as on the depth of background which enables the reader to recognise which details are determining ones, and which peripheral. More strange is what’s the point to encode the colour twice in the same flower but in two different ways – “por” and “p v”? Is there some need to show that the Voynich manuscript can’t possibly be Gallo-Roman Celtic? By that time, and in that culture, several of the ideas and items pictured in the Vms were unknown. So in this case, it may well be that an amateur who’s studied it for years will know more about this particular object. All treated in my blog at one stage or another –. By additional digging around, it looks like old Czech might fit the bill IF we combine the vowel with the companion having a diacritical mark. So regardless of how near or far your current or previous theories are from the truth, I think in one sense we can learn from you in embracing new research angles which may contradict what we previously thought to be the case. I’m succeeding where no man has gone before with the VMS. I know very little. Using my new key I am able to translate the first words of the first paragraph as: “This is a peractum with which you will assuredly perform the art of perfumes.”, The footnote to the first paragraph transcribes as “comes ars avestum”, meaning: “companion (to) master (the) art.”. Mark, do you believe that Wilfrid Voynich hoaxed the VMS in Italian Morse code with bad grammar deliberately inserted “to throw us off”, as Tom so vehemently asserts? That people have to try so very hard to find anything at all to support a theory of Latin Christian origin for the content is proof enough of the opposite. The rosette is also drawn fish. How can I publish my theory under these conditions?…. I remember several years ago (when I was ‘duking it out’ with Elmar Vogt and Rich Santa Coloma, (and Diane) on Elmar’s page: We all sorta ‘threw up our hands”, and bid adieu, and proceeded in our different pursuits. Hence it would seem that you have misunderstood the contributions of these three giants of cryptology. So in the matter of the interpretation of symbols, specifically in this case making reference to the standard heraldic description, image, definition of papelonny and its use as a sort of semiotic gateway, those who can see and interpret the symbols found in the text will proceed in one direction and those who do not understand the intent of the symbols, symbols chosen by the author, will proceed elsewhere. Peteb: For an admitted minnow, you’ve just gone and done what no dedicated unintuitive Voynich geeko has been able to achieve since the Manuscript was conceived, way back whenever; I kid you not. 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